Tuesday, May 06, 2008

Create/Design/Form/Outline/etc

One of the more common Designer actions, certainly. But we're encountering some challenges in making it work consistently from the client. So the question is, is this used often enough from the *client* that it is worth putting the effort into fixing, or should we just pull the menu from the client? I must admit I am leaning towards the latter... We'll still have View/Design to open up a specific db in Designer, so you can move from the client to the Designer in context... But you would then need to choose to create the form or outline or whatever once you were actually in the Designer. Would this be such a big move backwards in user interface we shouldn't even consider it? Or is this a rarely used convenience feature we can live without?

thanks!

29 comments:

YoGi said...

I've developped with Domino for a couple of years, and I've never used these links from the Lotus client.

Always select db > open in Designer, then create forms/views etc.

So I wouldn't miss that feature (and I would rather prefer that you focus your efforts on valuable things, ideaJam is full of good ideas ;).

Next ?

Keith Smillie said...

I've never used that menu *ever* in over a decade of development.

Sack it!

Nate said...

The Create - Design menu doesn't exist in the Mac or Linux versions. So you're really just making the interface more consistent between platforms.

David Leedy said...

View design is all that's really needed in my opinion.

David Jones said...

In about 5 years of Domino development I've never used this feature. Like Yogi, I've always used the DB -> Open in Designer option.

Tim Tripcony said...

I never use that menu either.

Don McNally said...

I've been developing in Notes for 10 years and never used them. I have Designer open all day and do all my development there. I wouldn't miss it.

Thanks for asking!

Rob McDonagh said...

Never used it, won't miss it at all. Pull it, definitely.

john k said...

you can do that? never knew! I have used the create agent, when I didn't have designer access though..

steve m said...

I very seldom use that menu and mostly open the Designer client first before creating a design element.

David Goodchild said...

Never used it ten years - just asked my other developers and they've never used it either - always open the designer first

Mike McGarel said...

Never used it in almost 10 years of N/D development. Off to the Trash!

jonvon said...

Never used it either. My vote, pull it.

Jens Polster said...

I have used this very seldom myself since I live in the Designer client, but what about users without a Designer client - how can they create a view (for example) if the menu is removed? Or am I missing something here?

John said...

binge and purge! drop the nuke on it!

Tony said...

I do not use that option either; always create from the designer client.

Peter Presnell said...

15 Years of Notes development and never found it necessary to use.

Carlos said...

7+ years of developing on Domino and never used that menu. Remove it :-)

JulianBuss said...

get rid of it, never used it ever in 6 years of deveopment

Jan Van Puyvelde said...

I agree - I've never used it.

Did you expect these comments ? ;-)

Bram said...

Some power users in organisations i visit use these options to create their own agents/views, without having a designer client (or license).

Maureen said...

This is good to hear, and I am happy to have so much to support removing this, as it would be a bit of work. We had wanted to remove it, but heard "through the grapevine" that it was a feature users felt was important... But that data seemed worth testing (and I'm very glad I did!)

In client only installs, users will still be able to create private agents/views, no worries!

Vitor Pereira said...

This means that you'll remove it from the *client* only and leave it in the designer. I'll still be able to ALT+Create+Design+Form/etc in the designer, right?

Maureen said...

yes, we're only considering removing it from the client - we need it in the Designer!

Tom Steenbergen said...

I would say remove it. I have never used it in over 12 years. I did not even know it existed.
Sounds like it is a heritage from good old R3 (not sure though).

Nate said...

Just make it behave EXACTLY like the Mac and Linux clients. I can't emphasize that enough.

E-X-A-C-T-L-Y.

Then you're golden.

Markus Dierker said...

I'm all for removing those entries because it reduces the UI clutter Notes seems to suffer under. Doing Notes development for 15+ years I'm strongly advocating for making the client experience more streamlined from an end user's point of view.

Keil said...

I'll pile-on with the "go ahead and remove it" crew. I may have used this back in the R4 days, but it's been a long, long time ago. Thanks Maureen.

Kikkan said...

Drop it. I've don't use it often.
There should also be a clear and clean line between the client and designer.